Talk:Kingdom of Prussia

1815

Why does this article end in 1815? john 04:54, 7 February 2004 (UTC)

Prussia lasted until 1933

It was no kingdom after 1918, but it was the largest state in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.130.230.192 (talk) 18:32, 6 January 2005 (UTC)

Kingdom of Prussia and Prussia

Why do this article and Prussia act as though they aren't aware of each other's existence? This should probably be merged, or turned into a brief article about the political unit. john k 22:21, 14 February 2005 (UTC)

One solution is to make Prussia a disambiguation page. Space Cadet 01:20, 15 February 2005 (UTC)

I don't think Prussia should be a disambiguation page. What's wrong with the current Prussia article? It's certainly far better than this article. Are you suggesting that we split the contents of Prussia between the disambiguation article, Kingdom of Prussia and something like Free State of Prussia? I would oppose this. To me, it makes more sense to just merge Kingdom of Prussia into Prussia and save any useful stuff from the former. john k 05:15, 15 February 2005 (UTC)

I would second this last opinion. Let's canibalize the "Kingdom of Prussia" article in favour of "Prussia"!Pelagus 17:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. "Prussia" means many different things throughout Wikipedia (which can easily be seen by seeing what links to the article):

• "Borussia", the land (currently without an article, I believe) of the Old/Baltic Prussian people
• the "Borussian" lands of the Teutonic Knights (the Monastic State of the Teutonic Knights)
• Ducal Prussia and Royal Prussia
• Brandenburg-Prussia
• the Kingdom of Prussia

• the Free State of Prussia (currently a redirect)

I am of the opinion that Prussia should be a significantly shortened semi-disambiguation page (as it was before this edit) briefly describing the historical evolution of "Prussia", while detail should go into the relevant articles. I think that the Prussia article was too detailed even before the recent changes to it. Another suggestion would be to have Prussia as a disambiguation page, have History of Prussia (currently a redirect) be a relatively short summary page (shorter than History of England), and then have the aforementioned individual articles describing Prussia's history at specific time periods in a "History of Prussia" series. Olessi 18:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Prussia, as part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and Prussia as a German kingdom are surely of political differences, but always of German identity! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.82.198 (talk) 19:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

I agree. the two articles should be merged into "The Kingdom of Prussia" because the subject is the same. Their is no point of having two articles that contain the same information on the same subject.--Martin8768 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

In WikiProject Former Countries, we're trying to make articles both for long-lived countries that changed rank, whilst essentially being the same country (eg Duchy of Prussia → Kingdom of Prussia → Free State of Prussia etc) and for each of these ranks. Prussia should, imho, be a summary page that gives a brief overview of how Prussia evolved from the Old Prussians to the Free State, with {{main}} links to each of the rank articles (eg Duchy of Prussia). Certainly I believe quite strongly that we shouldn't remove any of those articles.

So I'm roughly agreeing with Olessi :o) — OwenBlacker 12:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a great difference between the Kingdom of Prussia and current day Prussia. This should not be merged into one page because they both have totally different governments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.185.191.19 (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

FA class on Portuguese wiki

The Portuguese version of this entry has received FA-status. Given my non-knowledge of Portuguese, the content of this article does not look too different to this one, except that the English version does not have any references. If enough references are given (and the page is cleaned up a bit), maybe we could have FA too. - 52 Pickup 19:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Languages?

Just curious... What languages were spoken in Prussia over the years? Surely a variety. But what was/were the language(s) of state? How were various languages/dialects consolidated into German? Any expertise here would be a welcome addition. Smilo Don (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• german was the official language in prussia. in older time the high nobility speaks french. in east prussia there where a minority of masurian people and some lithuanians, some polish people also. but the most of the east-prussians spoke a german dialect. in other parts of prussia the people spoke other german dialects, some spoke low german and so on. in the north (schleswig-holstein) there were big minorities of danish and friesian people, but only german was an official language. germany had many dialects. if you look for old office-letters they are writen in german or latin, it depends of the time.

Enkidu78 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.143.115.182 (talk) 11:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Map

I think it would be a good idea to puts some labels on the map, naming the Baltic Sea and some surrounding countries. I know, of course, where Prussia was, but when I first saw the map, I though I was looking at a South-up view of the Mediterranean Sea. It took me about ten seconds to figure out where I was. For someone reading the article who doesn't even know where Prussia was to begin with, I would think it could be quite befuddlesome. Whind Soull (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

German or Prussian?

In 1876, would it have been more common to refer to Königsberg as a German city or a Prussian city? I realize it was technically both, but we're trying to decide how to properly refer to the city over in the Emma Goldman article. One editor wants to refer to it as "the Prussian capital of Königsberg" while another perfers just "Königsberg, Germany". Which is the better choice? Please reply here. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 16:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Double page

Hi, I think we have a double article here, on one hand, we have an article on Prussia, and on the other hand an article on Kingdom of Prussia. I think these two can be combined. Robin.lemstra (talk) 13:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Succeeded by North German Confederation?

The Kingdom of Prussia was a sovereign state from 1701 to 1866/67, when the North German Confederation was established. The question then is: should we change (or add) the North German Confederation as a successor to the Kingdom of Prussia in the info box? Johnny83m (talk) 00:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hopelessly POV Section

Quoting Rothbard on the subject of compulsory education in Prussia is a blatant violation of the NPOV policy as it makes the assumption that compulsory education is despotic with no alternative vie offered. An article of the historical kingdom of Prussia of all things is not the place to push Rothbard's theories, least of all framing them as if they are a uncontroversial and mainstream academic contribution to the subject. Ideally the section should be deleted or failing that countered with a quotation from a more mainstream source showing Rothbard's position to be very much a fringe one. As it stands it is both biased and an example of giving undue weight to a certain unusual view.--Iain3217 (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

How does it begin?

I know nearly nothing about Prussia, but I think there is one section missing: How does the Kingdom of Prussia begin? It must refer to Duchy of Prussia and Treaty of Wehlau. --Kittyhawk2 (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I added a small background section with the relevant links. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Redirect from Prussia

Please weigh in at Talk:Prussia#Redirect_to_Kingdom_of_Prussia_per_WP:PRIMARYTOPIC_and_WP:CFORK. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

King in Prussia

The title "King in Prussia" was adopted only because title "king of Prussia" was held by king of Poland. "King of Prussia" title was adopted by prussian king in 1772 after First Partition of Poland, as a result Prussia incorporated Royal Prussia which was formerly part of Poland-Lithuania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.15.76 (talk) 15:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Your information is not valid. Fredrick was given the name Kingdom in Prussia because at the time, The Holy Roman Empire would not allow any other kingdoms. So, he was given the name King in Prussia until he could convince them that Prussia was never a part of The Holy Roman Empire. That is when Prussia was given the name Kingdom of Prussia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.185.191.19 (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Relationship with modern day Ghana

I removed Ghana from the list of territories but then quickly scanned the Brandenburger Gold Coast article. There is indeed a relationship between the Kingdom of Prussia and the modern Ghanaian state. It would be helpful to have an explanation of that relationship in this article, as opposed to just mentioning Ghana in the middle of a list of European countries. Perhaps a separate section would be best. As it was, however, it looked so out of place that I first assumed it was vandalism. If you understand the history of Prussian colonialism in Africa, I would encourage you to add some language about this interesting and important relationship. —giso6150 (talk) 23:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason why Bismark is not mentioned in the introduction?

See subject. I am by no means an expert in the subject but Bismark is... well... Bismark. He brought more glory to the Prussian crown than just about anyone - that alone merits at least a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:4201:2598:5DB3:2429:8544:D87 (talk) 13:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Change of flag?

I have noticed that the flag has been changed to Flag of the Kingdom of Prussia (1803-1892) from Flag of Prussia (1892-1918), the reasoning being that the older flag was in use for a longer period of time and when Prussia was an indepedent state.

Is this a change that should be kept? What do other editors think? LittleCuteSuit (talk) 01:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Russian Control of Modern Prussia

Either here -- or in the article on the geographic region of Prussia -- there might be discussion of how modern Russia (successor to Russia SSR/USSR) controls the last sliver of Prussian territory (i.e. old Koenigsburg). The Allies did eliminate the legal status of Prussia as a sovereign entity -- but what is the status of Russia's control over this oblast (i.e. unconnected territory) and is there any pressure to allow the population to decide for itself whether to return to the old name of Prussia? This is one of the last remaining issues from WW1-WW2 and given that the state of Germany has (finally?) relinquished claims to Polish Silesia and such -- the lost territories)....perhaps now is the time for discussion about the revival of the Prussian state. A unified Germany without Prussia would not be under the spell of Prussian militarism (?) and the oblast is very very small. Of course, much of the original Prussian population fled after the Soviet invasion in WW 2. Are there any movements/sources recommending independence for the oblast around Koenigsburg? Chesspride 216.144.161.51 (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

"that constituted the state of Prussia"

This is bizarre wording designed, I think, to shoehorn in a link to Prussia. It should be emended. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Seems like a legitimate statement and links.  Not done Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:20, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Flag changes

For people reverting 173.187.121.242 (talk) changes to the flag (Wesoree and Vif12vf) you may be interested that they are trying to do a similar thing at Prussia. I have tried to engage them on the talk page (Talk:Prussia#Flag), but they have thus far continued without providing any concrete reasons for these changes. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I saw their edits to that article last night after they had already been reverted. All of the affected articles are on my surveillance-list, so I will do what I can when I see their edits. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

they are also on my radar. I will probably report them to WP:AN3 if they continue. -- Wesoree ^{(talk·contribs)} 16:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

They've been blocked for a year now. Nothing to do here. -- Wesoree ^{(talk·contribs)} 16:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

german history

1.franks 2.holy roman empire 3.prussia 4.german empire 5. nazi germany 6. west and east germany 7. federal germany 119.111.148.171 (talk) 01:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

You forgot about the North German Confederation 95.24.0.205 (talk) 15:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Flag

Which flag must be used. The last flag of Prussian Kingdom (1892-1918) or the flag with the most years in using (1803-1892)? Νίκος Αστέρης (talk) 11:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Name for Mysterious Lithuanian part?

what was that mysterious small Lithuanian part called when it was under Prussian rule? Do they have a name for it? 95.24.0.205 (talk) 15:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)